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I finally settled on an all purpose compromise AR... Lightweight barrel, basically permanent mini-Grunt, and a 6-20 scope. The scope is way too much power for most things, but I zeroed it at a class and have good data out to 600 yards on it. And 6 power is fine for most things under 100 yards...

The internet is always better than real life ;)

Even though I said something about a rail, honestly, I don't have a darn thing on my favorite carbine. I had a light on it for awhile for a NV/night shoot. Then took it off because I hit the switch when I didn't mean to... and it added weight.

Given that most people shoot 100 yards maximum, he should enjoy the red dot... The "cheap" red dots I've had are plenty accurate for 8" steel plates and bowling pins out to about 100 yards. And red dots are very easy to shoot, so there's the instant gratification factor (i.e. I'm great at...

I'm glad you guys have plenty of work-

Any decent deals on the non-frame parts? I wanted to do a Polymer80 frame, but damn the slide and other parts cost more than a used stock G17.

So my little story... I was a 1911 guy (see screen name) and probably mostly because Dad was also. I decided to give the G17 a fair shake. I bought a police trade in at a gun show in about 2005. I think it was about $375 and bone stock. I've never shot a $200 trigger, but the $10 glock...

Yeah- I could see that. I shoot off the bench at the gun club. And I hate collapsible stocks (including CTRs) that tear whiskers out of my face. The only collapsible that worked well is the Ergo 93. And those are heavy, complicated, and expensive.