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The plastic easily replaced ejection doors are often considered upgrades you have to pay for. I don't think I care one way or the other

Who else sells their aluminum receiver M4's with a plastic dust cover you have to "upgrade" yourself?

Again, I don't care much about the dust cover; easily replaced cheap part. Buuuuut.......if they cheaped out there, where else did they cut corners to save a buck?
 

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Who else sells their aluminum receiver M4's with a plastic dust cover you have to "upgrade" yourself?

Again, I don't care much about the dust cover; easily replaced cheap part. Buuuuut.......if they cheaped out there, where else did they cut corners to save a buck?

You mis understood.

Plastic easily swappable dust covers are often considered aftermarket upgrades. They pop on and off without disassembly.
http://www.strikeindustries.com/sho...ced-ultimate-dust-cover-223.html#.WGu51IE8KEc
 

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Who else sells their aluminum receiver M4's with a plastic dust cover you have to "upgrade" yourself?

Again, I don't care much about the dust cover; easily replaced cheap part. Buuuuut.......if they cheaped out there, where else did they cut corners to save a buck?

Let me ask you this, not o be argumentative. Why is having an aluminum dust cover better than a plastic one? Not from a financial standpoint but functionality only.

While it may be cheaper, or not since aluminum is cheap too, maybe savage wanted to be a little different or maybe a standard AR dust cover wouldn't work with that rifle for some reason we don't know about yet.
 

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Let me ask you this, not o be argumentative. Why is having an aluminum dust cover better than a plastic one? Not from a financial standpoint but functionality only.

While it may be cheaper, or not since aluminum is cheap too, maybe savage wanted to be a little different or maybe a standard AR dust cover wouldn't work with that rifle for some reason we don't know about yet.
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@cmshoot feels like the dust cover is such an inexpensive part, that replacing it with a "cheaper" plastic part is indicative that the company is willing to cut corners on parts...even if they are already cheap. That has led him to wonder if they also cut corners on parts where it does matter.

@PewPewPewCo says that many people consider poly dust covers to actually be an upgrade to the rifle, but he doesn't really think it matters, and doesn't care.

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Now I'm a break it down just to tell a little story
Straight out the box from the gangsta category
About a sucker, a sucker muthafuka
He's addicted, he's a smoker but in Compton called a clucker

@cmshoot feels like the dust cover is such an inexpensive part, that replacing it with a "cheaper" plastic part is indicative that the company is willing to cut corners on parts...even if they are already cheap. That has led him to wonder if they also cut corners on parts where it does matter.

@PewPewPewCo says that many people consider poly dust covers to actually be an upgrade to the rifle, but he doesn't really think it matters, and doesn't care.

nsfw

I get all that. I was asking if there is a reason, aside from cost, that makes an aluminum dust cover functionally better than a plastic one.
 

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After seeing the pictures and info I don't think these are going to do well unless they drop the prices a good bit. The LR one may have a chance if they bring the price down a bit and it has good reviews.

The other three are too expensive for the current AR market and have ugly stocks and grips. The Blackhawk trigger may be good, I don't know, but Blackhawk isn't typically the brand people spending that kind of money want.
 

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You mis understood.

Plastic easily swappable dust covers are often considered aftermarket upgrades. They pop on and off without disassembly.
http://www.strikeindustries.com/sho...ced-ultimate-dust-cover-223.html#.WGu51IE8KEc

I understand ya just fine, for the most part. I have never seen another M4 sold with a plastic dust cover, so I'm it understanding where this is a "considered aftermarket upgrade". Even the bottom dollar DPMS AND S&W Sport II have a cheap-to-make steel dust cover.
 

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Cost on the first 2 don't look too bad. Let's say about $750 and $875 each at your LGS. Comparable to other, established, manufacturers' rifles that are similarly equipped. If the quality is there, then they're a viable option.

Seeing more and more QPQ barrels nowadays. Not a good or bad thing, just an observation.

5R rifling in a "doorkicker" M4 is interesting. Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone else doing that. Again, not good or bad, just an observation.

.223 Wylde chambering is also interesting. I like regular ol' 5.56, but it ain't something that would stop me from buying one. I don't personally see the sense in a doorkicker gun.......in an SPR, yes. Again, not good or bad, just an observation.

I'll agree, furniture is on the ugly side, but if it works, then OK. I have my personal preference and almost always end up swapping the buttstock and PG out, anyways.

I griped about the dust cover, and still think it's bullshit in a rifle with an MSRP of $852 or more, but I hope these are good, solid quality rifles. I like to see more arms on the market, and more folks making them. Savage has a large fan base and I'm sure those folks would like to give a Savage M4 a road test. If this gets back rifles in the hands of more Americans, then good on them.

The 2 larger framed rifles are, again, inline with comparably equipped rifles from similar companies.

I think a lot of folks thought "Savage" and automatically figured their AR's would be cheaper than everyone else's, like their bolt actions are cheaper than most. Their bolt action is basically 2 tubes screwed together.......takes a lot more to machine AR receivers and barrels.
 
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Are they chrome lined?

I do think it's funny that they've designated this their "modern savage rifle" when the design is almost old enough to order off of the seniors menu at Dennys.
 

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Are they chrome lined?

I do think it's funny that they've designated this their "modern savage rifle" when the design is almost old enough to order off of the seniors menu at Dennys.

Doesn't look so. From the description, they appear to be Melonite QPQ finished.
 
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From videos I've seen of folks shooting the MSR, looks like a standard steel dust cover to me.