Executive Order Vs. Executive Action definition?....

[Tarheel]

There seems to be a universal use of the two in the media. I think they are not necessarily the same. I've searched and cannot determine if they are essentially different. It appears that an Executive Action is an investigatory procedure vs. an Executive Order mandate which requires a Congressional approval in most situations if opposed to existing law. The current frame is "Actions", based on many news source, but "Orders" appears too frequently. This is a subject that should be investigated, IMHO. Perhaps we can better define the intent and implementation if this can be explained....all you definition gurus are challenged :.

Tarheel

 

[Verticoli]

Oh, like we learned the dif in pardon and commutation.

 

[bigdogdaddy]

According to the link below President Obama did not sign any Executive Orders. They were all Executive Actions. I have no idea if this is true or how reliable the source is for that matter.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/01/obama-23-executive-orders-actions-gun-control.html

 

[Tarheel]

Oh, like we learned the dif in pardon and commutation.

... ;D...

....uhh, I'll' take the pardon, please...

 

[Slowhand]

According to the link below President Obama did not sign any Executive Orders. They were all Executive Actions. I have no idea if this is true or how reliable the source is for that matter.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/01/obama-23-executive-orders-actions-gun-control.html

Interesting source in your link. Really the left should be screaming bloody murder about what he "didn't do.

http://www.nationalreview.com/media-blog/337949/executive-order-vs-executive-action-and-media-hypocrisy-greg-pollowitz#

The real "fun" starts when it gets to the funding of his pork laden proposal. That is when Congress becomes involved and several politicians up for reelection in 2 years are going to have to make some decisions. The President has his job for the most part for the next 4 years but they don't.

http://www.examiner.com/article/a-look-at-obama-s-executive-actions-on-gun-control-and-the-constitution

Here's a better look at what Congress can do to nullify the whole thing. It's all politics and the Fat Lady hasn't even started to sing yet, this thing is by no means over.

 

[bigdogdaddy]

I agree to everything you said Slowhand. I found that link by doing a Google search of Executive Order vs. Executive Action. Did not find much worth looking at but that one was at least worth reading.

 

[Slowhand]

I agree to everything you said Slowhand. I found that link by doing a Google search of Executive Order vs. Executive Action. Did not find much worth looking at but that one was at least worth reading.

I just added the Examiner Article it's a better description of it all.

 

[Tarheel]

Here are the Executive Actions emerging from Obama's announcement and signed into effect during the news conference:



1: Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2: Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3: Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4: Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5: Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6: Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7: Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8: Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9: Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10: Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11: Nominate an ATF director.

12: Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13: Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14: Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15: Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16: Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17: Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18: Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19: Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20: Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21: Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22: Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23: Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.


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...so noted, now we shall see what surfaces when the "devil is in the details" aftermath is made public.

Tarheel

 

[bigdogdaddy]

My bet is that the gun control measures will fail to make it through congress, but the further invasions to personal privacy will happen. With that said, I still think it is only a matter of time before high capacity magazines are illegal or greatly controlled. If it doesn't happen under this administration, it will in the future.

 

[TRIGGER_1]

One law that will hurt is when the possession of high capacity mags is illegal... :-\

Hope it never comes to that.... :'(

 

[lws380]

I guess if and when a Republican ever gets elected again, that person can change them with the stroke of a pen.

 

[Slowhand]

One law that will hurt is when the possession of high capacity mags is illegal... :-\

Hope it never comes to that.... :'(

Keep an eye on what the politicians are saying in Congress. Harry Reid’s got to support Obama’s Agenda but he and other Democrats in the Senate have to protect their jobs in States that are Pro 2nd Amendment. A ban on so called assault rifles and high capacity ammunition magazines isn’t going to sit well with the folks back home. So we could see an end to that 5 seat majority in the Senate.

There is a coalition of 36 groups supporting gun owner’s rights who have vowed to go after and retaliate against any Democratic or Republican Senator who votes for restrictions on guns and ammo sales. When the 1994 assault weapons ban got passed in 1994, Democrats lost control of both the Senate and the House. They didn’t have enough votes to renew it and it expired. They blame all that on the NRA.

 

[TRIGGER_1]

Slowhand.....lets hope that was a lesson for them to remember....

 

[gunjunkie]

I saw where even Al Frankin is back pedaling after he realized that he might lose his job.

 

[bigdogdaddy]

I saw where even Al Frankin is back pedaling after he realized that he might lose his job.

Seriously? Wow. That is something.

 

[Slowhand]

Here are the Executive Actions emerging from Obama's announcement and signed into effect during the news conference:



1: Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2: Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3: Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4: Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5: Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6: Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7: Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8: Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9: Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10: Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11: Nominate an ATF director.

12: Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13: Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14: Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15: Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16: Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17: Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18: Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19: Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20: Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21: Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22: Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23: Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.


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...so noted, now we shall see what surfaces when the "devil is in the details" aftermath is made public.

Tarheel

Acutally I find maybe a third of his Executive Actions, reasonable and constructive, such as the one that supports emergency response plans for school shootings. But loads of schools have those sort of plans and didn't spend $30 million to do it. In the process an unfunded mandate is created requiring states to maintain those plans on a continual basis long after the grant money is gone.

$150 Million to hire up to 1,000 armed resource officers and "counselors"? There's over 98,000 government schools in America. Why not authorize teachers and other school employees who are licensed to carry or have access to firearms to defend themselves?

But the rest of it just smoke and mirrors, with a $500 Million price tag.

 

[Tarheel]

...actually, Slowhand, as of 2010 the stats provided by the National Center for Educational Statics indicate there were about 144,000 public and private schools...K1-12 and degree granting colleges and universities in the USA. I believe the $150 mil goes to school districts and law enforcement agencies, as reported by several reliable sources. The statement would suggest the funds go to public school districts and disregards the some 34,000 private schools involved not technically in a "school district". 1000 resource folks ain't much for all this new "protection" that will occur per his plan. Sounds like another TSA down the road...and another feather in the organized labor cap, of course...JMHO. Other members chime in if you have additional info and/or opinions on this particular issue.


Tarheel

 

[Slowhand]

...actually, Slowhand, as of 2010 the stats provided by the National Center for Educational Statics indicate there were about 144,000 public and private schools...K1-12 and degree granting colleges and universities in the USA. I believe the $150 mil goes to school districts and law enforcement agencies, as reported by several reliable sources. The statement would suggest the funds go to public school districts and disregards the some 34,000 private schools involved not technically in a "school district". 1000 resource folks ain't much for all this new "protection" that will occur per his plan. Sounds like another TSA down the road...and another feather in the organized labor cap, of course...JMHO. Other members chime in if you have additional info and/or opinions on this particular issue.


Tarheel

LOL...

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84

Public schools are 98,817. The rest of the statistics are here of course. Too bad so many Harvard Grads can't do the math.

 

[Tarheel]

....oops, Slowhand, I should have been a bit more specific in backing up your accurate number of (public K1-12) schools and separated the rest for the total of about 144,000. I saw your stat at that website and then realized that many fine students would fall through the crack...Harvard folks as well , thus the concerns further cited.

....it'll be interesting to see how the money is doled out from a political standpoint...red states beware.

Tarheel