Exploding Targets

Preparedness Depot in Acworth, GA

HiPointer

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So I won the raffle for the prize that I got to choose and I picked some exploding targets which according to tracking should be here today.


Anyone ever shoot these before? I got 20lbs of the stuff do you think it's a good idea to set all 20lbs off at once or would it be better to only do 1-2lbs at a time?


Also how fast does the bullet have to travel to set these off properly? Thanks
 

~ZENAS~

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Just a heads up, technically it is illegal to mix them and shoot them in Ohio. I don't know how all counties are dealing with it, but in our county we will basically give warnings so as to not make felons from otherwise law-abiding sportsmen. But here is the official state position on the issue:


OHIO STATE FIRE MARSHAL GUIDANCE ON EXPLOSIVE TARGETS


Information is provided for Ohio Homeland Security, Law Enforcement and Fire agencies.


July 2012


In response to some of the questions raised about the regulation of “explosive targets” (ETs), in the State of Ohio (example: products sold under the name “Tannerite”) please note the following information from the Ohio Revised Code and the Ohio Fire Code:


1. Explosive targets are commonly a binary product consisting of granulated ammonium nitrate with a separate activator or sensitizing substance, commonly aluminum powder. When mixed together the sensitized ammonium nitrate is then shock sensitive to small caliber firearms rounds and explodes on impact.


2. The baseline statute in Ohio regulating such products is R.C. 2917.17(A), which states: “No person shall knowingly acquire, have, carry, or use any dangerous ordnance.” [F5]


A dangerous ordnance is defined in R.C. 2923.11(K) as (inapplicable sections are deleted):


“Dangerous ordnance” means any of the following, except as provided in division (L) of this section:


(2) Any explosive device or incendiary device; (OR)


(3) Nitroglycerin, nitrocellulose, nitrostarch, PETN, cyclonite, TNT, picric acid, and other high explosives; amatol, tritonal, tetrytol, pentolite, pecretol, cyclotol, and other high explosive compositions; plastic explosives; dynamite, blasting gelatin, gelatin dynamite, sensitized ammonium nitrate, liquid-oxygen blasting explosives, blasting powder, and other blasting agents; and any other explosive substance having sufficient brisance or power to be particularly suitable for use as a military explosive, or for use in mining, quarrying, excavating, or demolitions;


3. An explosive device (part of the definition of dangerous ordnance) is defined in R.C. 2923.11(H) as: “Explosive device” means any device designed or specially adapted to cause physical harm to persons or property by means of an explosion, and consisting of an explosive substance or agency and a means to detonate it. “Explosive device” includes without limitation any bomb, any explosive demolition device, any blasting cap or detonator containing an explosive charge, and any pressure vessel that has been knowingly tampered with or arranged so as to explode.


4. An explosive (part of an explosive device, which is part of dangerous ordnance) is defined in R.C. 2923.11(M) as: “Explosive” means any chemical compound, mixture, or device, the primary or common purpose of which is to function by explosion. “Explosive” includes all materials that have been classified as division 1.1, division 1.2, division 1.3, or division 1.4 explosives by the United States department of transportation in its regulations and includes, but is not limited to, dynamite, black powder, pellet powders, initiating explosives, blasting caps, electric blasting caps, safety fuses, fuse igniters, squibs, Cordeaux detonant fuses, instantaneous fuses, and igniter cords and igniters. “Explosive” does not include “fireworks,” as defined in section 3743.01 of the Revised Code, or any substance or material otherwise meeting the definition of explosive set forth in this section that is manufactured, sold, possessed, transported, stored, or used in any activity described in section 3743.80 of the Revised Code, provided the activity is conducted in accordance with all applicable laws, rules, and regulations, including, but not limited to, the provisions of section 3743.80 of the Revised Code and the rules of the fire marshal adopted pursuant to section 3737.82 of the Revised Code.


5. The informal consensus is that the raw materials of an ET (such as a metal like an aluminum powder and ammonium nitrate) do not meet the definition of an explosive. Thus, the sale/possession of or the basic components of most ETs are not illegal to possess and, in many cases, use.


6. However, the key event that can change the application of the criminal code is the combination of the raw materials of an ET into a single mixture. The effect of that combination, including when done in accordance with manufacturer’s instructions, is to create sensitized ammonium nitrate (SAN). As noted in R.C. 2923.17(K)(3), SAN = dangerous ordnance.


7. Because SAN = a dangerous ordnance, it is, as noted above, a 5th degree felony to knowingly possess it. R.C. 2923.17(A) & (D). None of the exceptions of R.C. 2923.17© appear to apply to typical ETs that are acquired by private citizens in Ohio from sources like the Tannerite Company.


8. Because SAN = a dangerous ordnance, it is a 2nd degree felony to manufacture it (the act of combining the raw materials of aluminum powder and ammonium nitrate, which makes SAN) unless the person first has been issued a license, certificate of registration, or permit to do so from a fire official of a political subdivision of this state or from the office of the fire marshal. R.C. 2923.17(B) & (E).


9. The combination of the raw materials to make an ET makes that mixture an explosive as defined in R.C. 2923.17(M). None of the exceptions to (M), including those listed in R.C. 3743.80 appear to apply to typical ETs that are acquired by private citizens in Ohio from sources like the Tannerite company.


10. When used in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions, an ET like Tannerite likely becomes an explosive device as defined in R.C. 2923.17(H). The analysis is: an explosive [the mixture] plus a means to detonate it [the bullet from a firearm] – if it is determined to be a “device designed or specially adapted to cause physical harm to persons or property by means of an explosion” or a Court would accept it as being, “without limitation,” a “bomb” even if it was not specially adapted to harm persons/property [see the structure of the statute noted above]. If found to apply to all explosive devices, the requirement of the first part of the definition for such devices to be specially adapted to cause harm to persons/property, may require the addition of proof that it was used to maliciously cause harm to a person or damage to another’s property vs. just having such a capability. If the mixture and the bullet is found to be or used as an explosive device, it then becomes dangerous ordnance. Thus, as noted above it is, in most common uses, an F5 to possess it (R.C. 2923.17(A)) and an F2 to manufacturer it without permit from the SFM or fire code official.


11. R.C. 2923.18 provides a process by which a person may obtain a permit for the possession and use of dangerous ordnance from the “sheriff of the county or safety director or police chief of the municipality where the applicant resides or has his principal place of business.” Similar to the manufacturing permit noted in R.C 2923.17(B), almost all users of ETs will not seek (and probably would not qualify for) such a permit.


12. As a separate note, the Ohio Fire Code (OFC) as established in OAC 1301:7-7-01 to 47 may regulate the possession, storage and use of explosives in Ohio. It is triggered at the same point the criminal code is – the combination of the substances to make SAN. The manufacturing of such substances and any possession and use of such substances are subject to special fire safety permits and rules of the fire code – particularly if any such uses occur inside a building. Per R.C. 3737.51(A) & .99, violations of the OFC are a Misdemeanor of the 1st degree.


13. Summary:


a. Obtaining/Possession of ET raw materials (separated) is permissible under criminal and OFC, unless combined with criminal enterprise.


b. Combination of ET raw materials = sensitized ammonium nitrate/SAN.


c. Manufacturing SAN is an F2 offense per R.C. 2923.17(B) if done w/o a SFM or fire code official permit.


d. Possession (and use) of SAN is possession of dangerous ordnance and is an F5 offense per R.C. 2923.17(A).


e. Detonation of an ET (even if not SAN based) with a bullet (as per manufacturer instructions) would constitute, depending upon circumstances, an explosive device. Possession of an explosive device is possession of dangerous ordnance and an F5 offense per R.C. 2923.17(A).


f. Most exceptions to manufacturing and possession of dangerous ordnance or to the definition of an explosive do not apply to the typical methods used to acquire, make or use an ET.


g. The combination of ET raw materials, particularly to make SAN, triggers the Ohio Fire Code. The manufacturing of such substances and any possession and use of such substances are subject to special fire safety permits and rules of the fire code. Violating the OFC is an M1 offense per the R.C. 3737.51(A) & .99.


For more information or questions contact the Ohio Division of State Fire Marshal at 1-800-589-2728 …ask for Mr. Tim Thompson, Esq (SFM Legal Counsel) or Chief Tim Spradlin (SFM Fire – Explosion Investigation Bureau)


- See more at: http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/exploding-targets-considered-illegal-under-ohio-law#sthash.fYTWWRFO.dpuf
 

~ZENAS~

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That being said, if you are going to legally use Tannerite, 1-2 pounds makes a nice sized explosion (and even a decent crater in the ground). I would advise not using more than that at a time. 20 pounds would be an extremely large and dangerous explosion.


Typically, from all I've read, the bullet needs to travel around 2000 fps to set it off. Most handgun rounds will not suffice.
 
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David

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[QUOTE="HiPointer]So I won the raffle for the prize that I got to choose and I picked some exploding targets which according to tracking should be here today.
Anyone ever shoot these before? I got 20lbs of the stuff do you think it's a good idea to set all 20lbs off at once or would it be better to only do 1-2lbs at a time?


Also how fast does the bullet have to travel to set these off properly? Thanks

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Holy crap, did not realize the stuff was illegal in Ohio :mad:


But Unless you're far out in the country, and have a really long range rifle I really do not suggest setting off 20lbs of the stuff. I've set off 1lb at a time before (In WV I swear :D ) and even at 50 yards you can feel it punch you in the chest. I couldn't imagine what 20lbs would do. Here is a video of some mental pillars of society letting off 16lbs with some gasoline also


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Whatever you do, try to use some common sense and don't kill yourself or anything or anyone else with it.


Like TL stated above you'll need a projectile going around 2000 FPS to make it work. Shooting it with a handgun (except a 5.7) won't work.
 

HiPointer

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Thanks for the heads up and the tips! I'll be sure to not let to much off at once and do it far, far away from people as possible.
 
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David

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Heres another one, this one might be my new favorite public display of pure stupidity....


http://water-and-woods.com/2016/03/man-blows-his-leg-off-shooting-at-lawn-mower-filled-with-high-explosives/

WALTON COUNTY, GA. – A Georgia man trying to videotape shooting a lawn mower packed with explosives lost his leg. According to the March 19th incident report obtained by 11Alive, a sheriff’s deputy responded to a call about an explosion. A 911 call reported 32-year-old David Pressley was shooting Tannerite in the woods and “had possibly blown his legs off from the explosion.”

from 43 feet away...
 

~ZENAS~

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Yeah I saw that earlier today. I heard to stay back at least 100 yards per pound of tannerite. He was 43 feet from 3 pounds inside a lawnmower. He was stupid, but the fact that he lost a leg (and was lucky he didn't die) shows how this stuff can be dangerous and should be taken seriously.
 
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Shawn Agne

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And it is because of people doing stupid shit like this, that the anti-left wants to ban stuff.........