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I did some dt drills today at the range, and after several years of giving it a solid go..it's bullshit. Take an extra .25 seconds, get the front sight back totally on target and stack bullets. The time savings isn't worth the loss of accuracy.

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Horse Crap! Never stack shots, impressive yes but the wound channel will bleed more, with multiple different holes.
 
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Does "stacking bullets" matter more than getting two hits 2" apart?
 

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No Not when your talking 8x10 target Center Mass
 

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The reason instructors teach two center mass and one Cranial Vault, is that if the perp is wearing a vest..Then head shot will do the job.
 

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Horse Crap! Never stack shots, impressive yes but the wound channel will bleed more, with multiple different holes.
With a bad guy moving, it's unlikely like it is at the range. The advantage is that I'm a lot more likely to get them into the COM if I take a quarter second longer for the follow up shot. I just don't want to create a habit on paper that doesn't translate well to real life.
 
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I must have misunderstood your description, I thought you were talking about punching one hole with several rounds..My Bad
 

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I must have misunderstood your description, I thought you were talking about punching one hole with several rounds..My Bad
Well, yeah. On paper, relaxed at the range I guess that's my goal simply because I know it would probably never happen in real life. I do want to keep the shots as close as possible when training, so I can have the hopes of both hitting COM in the event I should ever be forced to draw.
 

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I did some dt drills today at the range, and after several years of giving it a solid go..it's bullshit. Take an extra .25 seconds, get the front sight back totally on target and stack bullets. The time savings isn't worth the loss of accuracy.

Thoughts?

Practice them all: hammer, double tap, controlled pair. In a high-stress-you're-gonna-die shooting situation, I would imagine it's difficult shooting a controlled pair.
 

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Yeah, when 2" opens up to 10.
I'm not sure I understand the logic...are you shooting at a perp 75ft away? 2" at 21ft isn't much and if that 2" makes you miss you were probably going to miss anyway..
 

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I'm not sure I understand the logic...are you shooting at a perp 75ft away? 2" at 21ft isn't much and if that 2" makes you miss you were probably going to miss anyway..
I'm saying that 2" is pretty easy on paper, chilling out at the range. Move that to, in the street, with your family, and suddenly confronted by a dude with ill intent. Two inch groups probably aren't going to happen. I want to practice a shooting cadence that will score me the best odds of COM hits, and dt's aren't it.
 

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I'm saying that 2" is pretty easy on paper, chilling out at the range. Move that to, in the street, with your family, and suddenly confronted by a dude with ill intent. Two inch groups probably aren't going to happen. I want to practice a shooting cadence that will score me the best odds of COM hits, and dt's aren't it.
Agreed. Under those circumstances, I think I would default to COM, as fast as I can reacquire the front sight and keep shooting until he's face down in the cement.
 

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I read an article years ago that has stuck with me to this day, basically debunking the idea of the double tap. It had a lot of science-y medical stuff in it that I didn't quite understand but the basic thrust of the argument was that two bullet holes in two different parts of the body did more to shut down the body than did two bullets holes in the same part. It made sense at the time...something to do with the body assessing more injury to itself given the different locations and their distance apart....or something like that.

Having said that, I don't - nor have I ever - practiced double taps outside of a FTS drill. In that respect, I think they are valid.
 

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I read an article years ago that has stuck with me to this day, basically debunking the idea of the double tap. It had a lot of science-y medical stuff in it that I didn't quite understand but the basic thrust of the argument was that two bullet holes in two different parts of the body did more to shut down the body than did two bullets holes in the same part. It made sense at the time...something to do with the body assessing more injury to itself given the different locations and their distance apart....or something like that.

Having said that, I don't - nor have I ever - practiced double taps outside of a FTS drill. In that respect, I think they are valid.
So I'm confused. Are you saying yea or nay?
 

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So I'm confused. Are you saying yea or nay?
I'm saying "sometimes." As a default, no. In a specific application where a threat has refused to stop advancing and lethal force is advised, yes.
 
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It's Monday so nothing makes sense to me. WHat is this talk of double taps in the same hole? Are you saying when you do double taps, your follow up shot hits the same spot as your first? What is a COM?
 

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It's Monday so nothing makes sense to me. WHat is this talk of double taps in the same hole? Are you saying when you do double taps, your follow up shot hits the same spot as your first? What is a COM?
I would assume COM to mean "center of mass." As to the bullets landing in the same hole on a double tap, highly unlikely.